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SAVE-ARCHIE-SONIC is rubbish by MeltingMan234 SAVE-ARCHIE-SONIC is rubbish by MeltingMan234
After I've stopped visiting this stupid club out of boredom, I might as well get this off my chest.

This group is probably the most pathetic group on DA ever and since it's one of those "save *item*" groups. Basically, since the Archie Sonic comics were forced to go through a reboot thanks to SEGA and mostly from the long and complicated Ken Penders Lawsuit, the universe's history has been re-written to be a lot closer to the games, thousands of characters have been banned, re-designs were made, etc. So apparently someone decided to make this group as an attempt to save the characters and go back to it's original timeline, and it's usually run by Louis-The-Hedgehog, the Satam Fanboy who worships Ben Hurst as God. Now if this group was more of a group that acts as a memorial to those banned characters and the old timeline, I'd be fine with that. But no, they have to go out of their way and scheme some kind of plan to make Archie Comics get the characters back and the old timeline dubbed, Operation: Mailbag. This almost puts the Sonic 4 Boycott to shame. Hey Louis, remember all of those failed attempts you made with taking down SEGA of Japan and trying to shut down Encyclopedia Dramatica? Ya, obviously you never learn from your mistakes. If they can't convince them, then I guess murder would be on their mind, no surprise really as the Fanbase is full of insane people. Recently it's been proven that the new timeline is here to stay and that nothing can be done to go back to the old timeline, even before that they stated that nothing can be done about this change and yet all of those saps think that it's not impossible and that they can still save the comics. Sure sure, and we still have a chance to get Franklin D. Roosevelt to come back as president, or get William Hartnell to reprise The Doctor, oh wait, their dead, and so is the old timeline. I wasn't that happy with the new timeline for a while, but now I'm over with it as nothing can be done to change it cause everything changes around us and most people don't bother being mature about it or just, I don't know, grow the f**k up. Obviously anyone who joined this group won't give up in, "saving the comics" when it's already too late to save it. We all know Pender's Star Trek Knock Off Project is going to flop, and it's still not going to convince him to give his character back to Archie, the agreement was already said and done, nothing can be changed. He might end up living in the streets inside of a cardboard box for all I care. So if anyone comments here saying that there's still a chance, name one other comic book company that has gone through this kind of lawsuit where a former writer files a lawsuit against a company for his characters, gets them back, but then through some unknown magic, somehow gives them back to the company. So do yourself a favor and don't bother joining this club, taking part of their scheme is like waiting for another Vectorman game or Sonic Adventure 3, cause it'll never happen.
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Bendo244 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Save the comic....from what. It has problems but it's WAY too far into the hole for some white knight defense committie tocome in fucking with things. I still enjoy the comics but only when I'm interested in seeing them.......some of the people who associate with it primarily this group ruin it sometimes.
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Imachair5050 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
Agreed. It's far too late to save the comics. And that saddens me because I know that given the right writers, the comics can be amazing (personally, I don't think that Flynn is a bad writer, it's just that his writing style doesn't really interest me as much as other writers, like Scott Snyder, Alan Moore and Grant Morrison).

As far as I can tell, here's what can be done:
1) Have the Archie Sonic comic series cancelled (that'll shut SAVE-ARCHIE-SONIC up. Permanently.)
2) SEGA could give the rights to make a comic series to another, much larger comic book publisher (Dark Horse Comics, IDW, Etc. Hell, I'd presonally like to see what a Sonic series whould be like in the hands of DC comics. Sonic/Justice League crossover, anyone?) with a more talented writing team (Am I the only one who'd like to see Grant Morrison write a Sonic story?). 
3) SEGA should just leave the creative team to do what they want. Don't mess up their work with mandates.
4) Keep the characters that made it through the Archie reboot (that may help bring some of the Archie-Sonic fans on board, providing they aren't whining about it).
5) Bring back the Penders-made characters (this may seem impossible, but according to some sources (EVEN PENDERS HIMSELF) Archie are currently still allowed to use his characters, they've just chosen not to. Clearly, then, something can be worked out).
6) Make Sonic the main character again (There's a reason why it's called SONIC THE HEDGEHOG).

What do you guys think?
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SleetandDingolover Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014  Professional General Artist
BEN HURST IS GOD, BABY!
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OptiMario94 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I dislike The Archie Sonic comics too and i agree with you!.
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RedTheCookie Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
im with you on this

i dont want archie to be deep and dark again
mobius got removed, the old characters got removed
and even the redesigns popped up,ken penders made a comic
that ruined everything,.

But hey im fine im going to be in sonic video games anyway.
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Rock-Raider Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014
I can at least say that I sympathize with them.  I only found out about the whole Archie & Ken Penders debacle about a week or two ago, and it has left me pretty upset.  However, realistically, I think the most likely thing to happen to get Ken Penders' characters back in the Ken Penders would be, decades from now, Ken Penders dies of old age, and his family, no longer interested in retaining the rights to his characters, sells them to Archie.
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greece4life Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
What characters are banned from the comics? Can you tell me?
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MeltingMan234 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
Anyone that is not made by SEGA, Satam and Ian Flynn.
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greece4life Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, brother. Facepalm  What's next? No, I disagree! 
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IATEADEMOCRATE1 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014
That whole group is just drama queen whining.
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Bendo244 Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is pretty ridiculous. At this rate it isn't Sega, Archie or even Flynn that's "ruining" or "destroying" Sonic it's the fans who whine, bitch, and bicker unable to except other's opinions and making stupid as clubs with mission statements that are already lost.
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PhillyBlue Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is it really ever too late to do anything?
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SoinTheHedgehog Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014
As a fans I can understand where their coming from wanting to save the franchise but it's not like the comic is dead it just went through a reboot.  I like the reboot anyway the designs and story look great.
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cyKoseVo Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I like the reboot
i am more familiar with the Sonic games so I enjoy it.
why would you save the old timeline? They got rid of it because it obviously wasn't working.
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Hero-T Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
I must say, I agree with this. They are nothing but attempting to save a cause that some think is lost, when in reality, it's a cause that doesn't need to be saved.
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comic321 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I'm actually enjoying the reboot
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014

Well, guess I'll stay clear of this group then.

 

BTW MeltingMan, have you ever heard of this series of videos called Sonic Dissected? It's really good and I think you may find some interest in there:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RRem9…

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MeltingMan234 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
I've known about Sonic Dissected, and I enjoy watching them.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014

Good to here mang. I was thinking, it would be really cool if we had someone like that representing the comics? Not for every issue and I've seen you're to archie haters rants in the past, but I mean someone to compare how the comics run things and what makes them better then then games, and more importantly, how the games can take certain aspects of the comics and apply them(For instance, Amy being less of a stalker and more of an actual member of the team). I've made a meme that could be a small example of that.

psyco-the-frog.deviantart.com/…

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MeltingMan234 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Which is why I made Archie Sonic Analysis. It started off as a journal series on DA, nowadays I'm moving it to my Youtube account.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Sounds tight. Maybe I'll find something to make a meme about from it(They're reallu just messages to the fanbase and not meant for comedy, if you ever see them).
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Hazlenaut Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014

As the saying goes you got to know when to hold em and know when to hold em when to fold ’em. Sonic franchise was a mess to start with.  That fraction of the fans think they can do it because maybe it can be like revival of Spiderman but there are a lot complications they did not take notice.

Ken finally got his characters, which has been known to be difficult for many people who work in comic books. Let him have his victory. You may not like him but let him have something for all of this. Ian wanted to give Ken’s characters attention because he was a fan of the Sonic Comic before he was writing.

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Scintillajin Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Did the comics even need saving to begin with?
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comic321 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Truth be told, no. The reboot is doing well so far. Yeah, I mean we're still testing the water, but it's not bad-not bad at all.
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TechNijui Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sonic SatAM was a decent TV show with heart and wonderful characters for it's time. It has aged poorly though and honestly, I do not support what that group is doing. The characters are aged. They needed to be freshened up to fit today, not what happened like 20 years ago. SEGA aims it's comics mostly at young people and not those that grew up with the classic saturday morning cartoon. They banned thousands of characters, but that was only thanks to Ken Penders and his stupid spinoff. It all depends on if Archie wins the lawsuit and regains a few of the characters. Perhaps then they can be reintroduced in the reboot so the younger people understand what is happening. Ian Flynn's stories are simple and at the same time well-done and easy to understand for the younger demographic the comics are aiming for.
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Beau-Skunk Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Y'know, I checked out that club, and oddly alot of it's members are ones from the Anti-Archie club.
I think it's a thinly-veiled Archie-hate club honestly. While I'm not happy about the Penders lawsuit, and semi-reboot we had on the comic, (And the dropping of many beloved characters, and plot-lines Ian was building up for future issues) as you say there's pretty much nothing we can do. Archie & Sega can't just magically convince Ken to give them all rights to his characters, and such, nor can they risk more legal drama with him by using his characters.
(Apparently, they can still make reprints of the old issues luckily, so it looks like those aren't effected.)

Also, ironically, why do all these SatA.M. fans who only like the SatA.M. characters in the comics, (and hardly any others) and who hate the comics, it's canon, it's non-SatA.M. characters suddenly "care" about saving the old canon, (the canon they hate) and "improving/saving" the series? Also, they should be thankful the SatA.M. characters (and some of the backstory adapted from SatA.M.) are going to be around the comic still. (As Ken can't claim ownership, as he didn't make them.)

(NOTE: I'm a SatA.M. fan to, not bashing all SatA.M. fans, but I like other versions of Sonic. Don't know why so many Sonic fans in general only chose to like one version of Sonic, and hate most of the others...)
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The Anti-Archie members are mostly now ex-Anti-Archie members. Our groups used to be affialated. Now, we advise people to steer clear as much as possible.  

Plus, it's not so much a "Save the comics" as much as "Kill Ken Penders, put his head on a spike, and give his characters back to Archie", as if that will convice them to bring back the old world.
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Beau-Skunk Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014
Y'mean, like how your club members talk about Ian? ;p J/K Sorry, just teasing.

Jokes aside, I agree, lynching Penders' ISN'T going to solve anything, or bring the old canon back. It'll just cause more problems... What's been done is done.
I believe even if Ken did relent, and allow them to use his characters/concepts freely, chances are at this point the higher-ups at Sega, and/or Archie would be to paranoid now to use anything of his, in fear of sparking more legal drama, so they'd probably not allow it anyways.
(This is just my personal speculation though, don't take it as "fact.") ^^;

At least, we'll still get the old canon in the reprint, and Digest books apparently. So it's not all gone.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Anybody that does that gets the banhammer.

Indeed. IN fact, for a while, we banned talking about him at Anti-Archie, just because people kept whining about it, even though it wasn't in-keeping with what we're all about. Ironically, that's what caused he schism between us and Save-Archie.

Yup.

Indeed. Well, I would be happy about that, but my favourite story is Growing Pains, so...
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Beau-Skunk Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
I've actually been trying to discourage people from bashing Archie or Sega staff on the pro-Archie Sonic club to, and that includes Penders. (Whom I enjoyed his stories/characters.)
We don't want to it to become a negative club is why. (People need to learn the difference between "criticizing/critiquing," and downright "bashing")

I think I have that story (the one where Tails meets robo-Fiona, right?) in one of my "Sonic Archive" books actually.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Nice to hear.

Yup, that's the one. I didn't realise that I liked it that much until the other day, when I got a request to do a rewritten version of it as part of my Alterniverse series. THe story ended up being not all that different, except Fiona was a highly advanced Robian as opposed to an Auto-Automaton, and thus it had a happier ending.
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Beau-Skunk Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Well, good luck with that.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
It's already done.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
This is why I left the club...it's utterly pathetic. I'm ashamed I ever joined in the first place.

Oh well, I'm not in the club anymore. :) 
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DeadlyScarab14 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
yeah, i mourned for a while, i made my peace with what happened, hopefully they repair what happened by reinvigorating the sonic universe- like the lealing of a wound. and seeing as though Ken's other stuff looks like blatent shite and waning in popularity im not at all going to be surpirised that his Lara Su abomination won't work
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StreetArtistEX Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
If I may be a bit mean-sprited, but why even pay attention to this nonsense? I have no ill-will against them, nor do I want to, but again, why?
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